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      <title>Episode 14: Matt Scott on Building Community Through Storytelling</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Matt Scott is the founder of Lets Care, where he passes the mic to those who often go unheard in social change, and was the global community lead for the world’s largest global hackathon, NASA’s Space Apps Challenge. In this episode we talk about managing a global community of over 100,000 people, why storytelling is important in building community, and how pro wrestling is a force for the social change.</p><p>Special Guest: Matt Scott.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Let&#39;s Care" rel="nofollow" href="https://lets.care">Let's Care</a></li><li><a title="20s &amp; Change: San Francisco" rel="nofollow" href="https://lets.care/film">20s &amp; Change: San Francisco</a></li><li><a title="Matt Scott on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/mattscottgw">Matt Scott on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Wrestling RHAPUp on Rob Has A Podcast" rel="nofollow" href="https://robhasawebsite.com/shows/reality-tv-rhapups/wrestling-rhapups/">Wrestling RHAPUp on Rob Has A Podcast</a></li><li><a title="Project Drawdown" rel="nofollow" href="https://drawdown.org/">Project Drawdown</a></li><li><a title="NASA Space Apps Challenge" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.spaceappschallenge.org/">NASA Space Apps Challenge</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 13: Rosie Sherry on community as career.</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Rosie Sherry is the Community Lead at Orbit, a startup which builds software to measure community engagement. She also runs Rosieland, a newsletter and website which covers topics around community management. In this episode we talk about turning community into career, how to scale, and what to do when you realize your heart is no longer in the community you founded. </p><p>Special Guest: Rosie Sherry.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Rosie Sherry on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/rosiesherry">Rosie Sherry on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Rosieland" rel="nofollow" href="https://rosie.land">Rosieland</a></li><li><a title="Orbit" rel="nofollow" href="https://orbit.love">Orbit</a></li><li><a title="Ministry of Testing" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.ministryoftesting.com/">Ministry of Testing</a></li><li><a title="Indie Hackers" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.indiehackers.com/">Indie Hackers</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Rosie Sherry is the Community Lead at Orbit, a startup which builds software to measure community engagement. She also runs Rosieland, a newsletter and website which covers topics around community management. In this episode we talk about turning community into career, how to scale, and what to do when you realize your heart is no longer in the community you founded. </p><p>Special Guest: Rosie Sherry.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Rosie Sherry on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/rosiesherry">Rosie Sherry on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Rosieland" rel="nofollow" href="https://rosie.land">Rosieland</a></li><li><a title="Orbit" rel="nofollow" href="https://orbit.love">Orbit</a></li><li><a title="Ministry of Testing" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.ministryoftesting.com/">Ministry of Testing</a></li><li><a title="Indie Hackers" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.indiehackers.com/">Indie Hackers</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 12: Shelby Lorman on Awards For Good Boys</title>
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      <title>Episode 11: Margot Bloomstein on Trust</title>
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      <title>Episode 10: Jess Sand on the Content + UX Slack community</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In 2010, two-time Survivor player Rob Cesternino began Rob Has A Podcast, a podcast network dedicated to in-depth coverage of scripted and reality TV shows. In this episode, Rob talks about the community that has grown around RHAP, what has led to its success, and what the future holds.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In 2010, two-time Survivor player Rob Cesternino began Rob Has A Podcast, a podcast network dedicated to in-depth coverage of scripted and reality TV shows. In this episode, Rob talks about the community that has grown around RHAP, what has led to its success, and what the future holds.</p><p>Special Guest: Rob Cesternino.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 8: Jasmine Sun on Civic Infrastructure and Online Communities</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Jasmine Sun is a writer exploring social and information ecosystems. In this episode we talk about cities as platforms, how the gig economy has replaced social infrastructure, and what our communities can learn from city planners.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>34:44</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Jasmine Sun is a writer exploring social and information ecosystems. In this episode we talk about cities as platforms, how the gig economy has replaced social infrastructure, and what our communities can learn from city planners.</p><p>Special Guest: Jasmine Sun.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Jasmine Sun on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/jasminewsun">Jasmine Sun on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Jasmine Sun on Medium" rel="nofollow" href="https://medium.com/@jasminewsun">Jasmine Sun on Medium</a></li><li><a title="Reboot - a tech and newsletter series on tech, humanity, and power." rel="nofollow" href="https://reboothq.substack.com/">Reboot - a tech and newsletter series on tech, humanity, and power.</a></li><li><a title="Cities and Ambition - an essay by Paul Graham" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.paulgraham.com/cities.html">Cities and Ambition - an essay by Paul Graham</a></li><li><a title="Palaces For The People - a book by Eric Klinenberg" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/557044/palaces-for-the-people-by-eric-klinenberg/">Palaces For The People - a book by Eric Klinenberg</a></li><li><a title="Eric Klinenberg on the podcast 99% Invisible" rel="nofollow" href="https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/palaces-for-the-people/">Eric Klinenberg on the podcast 99% Invisible</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 7: Angie Byron on Community Burnout</title>
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<p>&quot;Randy Fay and I used to get into little spats about this where I was big on like, &#39;I love Drupal, because everybody&#39;s just a blue nickname and we all treat each other the same.&#39; He&#39;s like, &#39;Yeah, but you don&#39;t, because you know that chx is this big name programmer, but someone new to the community has no idea, and will talk to them in a in a certain way. And they get lambasted off the planet, because they were rude to a core developer. But how are they supposed to know?&quot; It took me a while to kind of come around to that idea of like, the tyranny of structurelessness and things like that. That there actually is value in defining those roles and defining what the procedures are for getting into and out of those roles and things like that. So I think I&#39;ve learned to appreciate good governance a lot more now than I had kind of in the earlier days.&quot; - Angie Byron</p><p>Special Guest: Angie Byron.</p>]]>
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<p>&quot;Randy Fay and I used to get into little spats about this where I was big on like, &#39;I love Drupal, because everybody&#39;s just a blue nickname and we all treat each other the same.&#39; He&#39;s like, &#39;Yeah, but you don&#39;t, because you know that chx is this big name programmer, but someone new to the community has no idea, and will talk to them in a in a certain way. And they get lambasted off the planet, because they were rude to a core developer. But how are they supposed to know?&quot; It took me a while to kind of come around to that idea of like, the tyranny of structurelessness and things like that. That there actually is value in defining those roles and defining what the procedures are for getting into and out of those roles and things like that. So I think I&#39;ve learned to appreciate good governance a lot more now than I had kind of in the earlier days.&quot; - Angie Byron</p><p>Special Guest: Angie Byron.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Angie Byron on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/webchick">Angie Byron on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="The Tyranny of Structurelessness" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm">The Tyranny of Structurelessness</a></li><li><a title="You Matter More Than The Cause" rel="nofollow" href="https://vimeo.com/180215647">You Matter More Than The Cause</a></li></ul>]]>
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<p>&quot;Randy Fay and I used to get into little spats about this where I was big on like, &#39;I love Drupal, because everybody&#39;s just a blue nickname and we all treat each other the same.&#39; He&#39;s like, &#39;Yeah, but you don&#39;t, because you know that chx is this big name programmer, but someone new to the community has no idea, and will talk to them in a in a certain way. And they get lambasted off the planet, because they were rude to a core developer. But how are they supposed to know?&quot; It took me a while to kind of come around to that idea of like, the tyranny of structurelessness and things like that. That there actually is value in defining those roles and defining what the procedures are for getting into and out of those roles and things like that. So I think I&#39;ve learned to appreciate good governance a lot more now than I had kind of in the earlier days.&quot; - Angie Byron</p><p>Special Guest: Angie Byron.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Angie Byron on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/webchick">Angie Byron on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="The Tyranny of Structurelessness" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm">The Tyranny of Structurelessness</a></li><li><a title="You Matter More Than The Cause" rel="nofollow" href="https://vimeo.com/180215647">You Matter More Than The Cause</a></li></ul>]]>
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<p>&quot;I think we underestimate how destructive, or rather how motivational connection and community is. I think it&#39;s one of the most important things that people will do almost anything to ensure that they have a community and that they have people who think that they are like ... you&#39;re with us. You&#39;re one of us. You&#39;re one of our people. I mean, I personally think people will become neo-nazis, just to ensure that they have community, not because it&#39;s what they deeply believe.&quot; - Meg Bolger</p><p>Special Guest: Meg Bolger.</p>]]>
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<p>&quot;I think we underestimate how destructive, or rather how motivational connection and community is. I think it&#39;s one of the most important things that people will do almost anything to ensure that they have a community and that they have people who think that they are like ... you&#39;re with us. You&#39;re one of us. You&#39;re one of our people. I mean, I personally think people will become neo-nazis, just to ensure that they have community, not because it&#39;s what they deeply believe.&quot; - Meg Bolger</p><p>Special Guest: Meg Bolger.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Meg Bolger" rel="nofollow" href="https://megbolger.com">Meg Bolger</a></li><li><a title="Facilitator Cards" rel="nofollow" href="https://facilitator.cards">Facilitator Cards</a></li><li><a title="The Safe Zone Project" rel="nofollow" href="https://thesafezoneproject.com">The Safe Zone Project</a></li><li><a title="Unlocking the Magic of Facilitation" rel="nofollow" href="https://facilitationmagic.com">Unlocking the Magic of Facilitation</a></li><li><a title="The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible" rel="nofollow" href="https://charleseisenstein.org/books/the-more-beautiful-world-our-hearts-know-is-possible/">The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible</a></li></ul>]]>
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<p>&quot;I think we underestimate how destructive, or rather how motivational connection and community is. I think it&#39;s one of the most important things that people will do almost anything to ensure that they have a community and that they have people who think that they are like ... you&#39;re with us. You&#39;re one of us. You&#39;re one of our people. I mean, I personally think people will become neo-nazis, just to ensure that they have community, not because it&#39;s what they deeply believe.&quot; - Meg Bolger</p><p>Special Guest: Meg Bolger.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Meg Bolger" rel="nofollow" href="https://megbolger.com">Meg Bolger</a></li><li><a title="Facilitator Cards" rel="nofollow" href="https://facilitator.cards">Facilitator Cards</a></li><li><a title="The Safe Zone Project" rel="nofollow" href="https://thesafezoneproject.com">The Safe Zone Project</a></li><li><a title="Unlocking the Magic of Facilitation" rel="nofollow" href="https://facilitationmagic.com">Unlocking the Magic of Facilitation</a></li><li><a title="The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible" rel="nofollow" href="https://charleseisenstein.org/books/the-more-beautiful-world-our-hearts-know-is-possible/">The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible</a></li></ul>]]>
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<p>&quot;The choice to do nothing is still a choice. And you shouldn&#39;t be naive about that and refusing to look at the consequences of your behavior. Whether that&#39;s an individual a business, a nonprofit organization, a Girl Scout troop, whatever. Like that&#39;s just not okay, that&#39;s not what mature people do. That&#39;s what children do. That&#39;s what adolescents do. And I feel like the industry of technology and digital spaces is moving out of adolescence into adulthood and it&#39;s just not gonna fly anymore.&quot;  - Lisa Welchman</p><p>Special Guest: Lisa Welchman.</p>]]>
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<p>&quot;The choice to do nothing is still a choice. And you shouldn&#39;t be naive about that and refusing to look at the consequences of your behavior. Whether that&#39;s an individual a business, a nonprofit organization, a Girl Scout troop, whatever. Like that&#39;s just not okay, that&#39;s not what mature people do. That&#39;s what children do. That&#39;s what adolescents do. And I feel like the industry of technology and digital spaces is moving out of adolescence into adulthood and it&#39;s just not gonna fly anymore.&quot;  - Lisa Welchman</p><p>Special Guest: Lisa Welchman.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Lisa Welchman&#39;s website" rel="nofollow" href="https://lisawelchman.com">Lisa Welchman's website</a></li><li><a title="Digital governance e-learning courses and blogs" rel="nofollow" href="https://digitalgovernance.com">Digital governance e-learning courses and blogs</a></li><li><a title="Managing Chaos at Rosenfeld Media" rel="nofollow" href="https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/managing-chaos/">Managing Chaos at Rosenfeld Media</a></li><li><a title="The Paradox Of Open Growth - Lisa Welchman&#39;s keynote at DrupalCon Prague 2013" rel="nofollow" href="https://prague2013.drupal.org/keynote/lisa-welchman.html">The Paradox Of Open Growth - Lisa Welchman's keynote at DrupalCon Prague 2013</a></li><li><a title="Lisa Welchman on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/lwelchman">Lisa Welchman on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Lisa Welchman&#39;s music" rel="nofollow" href="http://scientificeve.com/">Lisa Welchman's music</a></li></ul>]]>
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<p>&quot;The choice to do nothing is still a choice. And you shouldn&#39;t be naive about that and refusing to look at the consequences of your behavior. Whether that&#39;s an individual a business, a nonprofit organization, a Girl Scout troop, whatever. Like that&#39;s just not okay, that&#39;s not what mature people do. That&#39;s what children do. That&#39;s what adolescents do. And I feel like the industry of technology and digital spaces is moving out of adolescence into adulthood and it&#39;s just not gonna fly anymore.&quot;  - Lisa Welchman</p><p>Special Guest: Lisa Welchman.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Lisa Welchman&#39;s website" rel="nofollow" href="https://lisawelchman.com">Lisa Welchman's website</a></li><li><a title="Digital governance e-learning courses and blogs" rel="nofollow" href="https://digitalgovernance.com">Digital governance e-learning courses and blogs</a></li><li><a title="Managing Chaos at Rosenfeld Media" rel="nofollow" href="https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/managing-chaos/">Managing Chaos at Rosenfeld Media</a></li><li><a title="The Paradox Of Open Growth - Lisa Welchman&#39;s keynote at DrupalCon Prague 2013" rel="nofollow" href="https://prague2013.drupal.org/keynote/lisa-welchman.html">The Paradox Of Open Growth - Lisa Welchman's keynote at DrupalCon Prague 2013</a></li><li><a title="Lisa Welchman on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/lwelchman">Lisa Welchman on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Lisa Welchman&#39;s music" rel="nofollow" href="http://scientificeve.com/">Lisa Welchman's music</a></li></ul>]]>
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<p>&quot;Something happened kind of early on in the band, where  my brain shifted a little bit and I started thinking that if a band called War On Women can&#39;t call out someone in the moment for harassing us or harassing an audience member or being shitty ... If we can&#39;t do it, well, who can. I started to accept the responsibility of being in a feminist political band, that is a hardcore punk band. We&#39;ve got to be ready to back up the righteous anger that we&#39;re yelling about, that we&#39;re expressing musicall and lyrically&quot; - Shawna Potter</p><p>Special Guest: Shawna Potter.</p>]]>
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<p>&quot;Something happened kind of early on in the band, where  my brain shifted a little bit and I started thinking that if a band called War On Women can&#39;t call out someone in the moment for harassing us or harassing an audience member or being shitty ... If we can&#39;t do it, well, who can. I started to accept the responsibility of being in a feminist political band, that is a hardcore punk band. We&#39;ve got to be ready to back up the righteous anger that we&#39;re yelling about, that we&#39;re expressing musicall and lyrically&quot; - Shawna Potter</p><p>Special Guest: Shawna Potter.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="The 5Ds of Bystander Intervention" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.ihollaback.org/bystander-resources/">The 5Ds of Bystander Intervention</a></li><li><a title="War on Women at Bridge 9 Records" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.bridge9.com/waronwomen">War on Women at Bridge 9 Records</a></li><li><a title="War on Women Bandcamp" rel="nofollow" href="https://waronwomen.bandcamp.com/">War on Women Bandcamp</a></li><li><a title="Making Spaces Safer at AK Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html">Making Spaces Safer at AK Press</a></li><li><a title="Shawna Potter" rel="nofollow" href="https://shawnapotter.com/">Shawna Potter</a></li></ul>]]>
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<p>&quot;Something happened kind of early on in the band, where  my brain shifted a little bit and I started thinking that if a band called War On Women can&#39;t call out someone in the moment for harassing us or harassing an audience member or being shitty ... If we can&#39;t do it, well, who can. I started to accept the responsibility of being in a feminist political band, that is a hardcore punk band. We&#39;ve got to be ready to back up the righteous anger that we&#39;re yelling about, that we&#39;re expressing musicall and lyrically&quot; - Shawna Potter</p><p>Special Guest: Shawna Potter.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="The 5Ds of Bystander Intervention" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.ihollaback.org/bystander-resources/">The 5Ds of Bystander Intervention</a></li><li><a title="War on Women at Bridge 9 Records" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.bridge9.com/waronwomen">War on Women at Bridge 9 Records</a></li><li><a title="War on Women Bandcamp" rel="nofollow" href="https://waronwomen.bandcamp.com/">War on Women Bandcamp</a></li><li><a title="Making Spaces Safer at AK Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html">Making Spaces Safer at AK Press</a></li><li><a title="Shawna Potter" rel="nofollow" href="https://shawnapotter.com/">Shawna Potter</a></li></ul>]]>
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<p>&quot;Without actively soliciting the perspectives and the experiences and the approaches of these folks who are on the front lines who maybe haven&#39;t written books and maybe haven&#39;t been blogging or don&#39;t have a podcast or haven&#39;t had the chance on the stage ... if we don&#39;t draw those voices in and lift them up we&#39;re going to stagnate as an industry. There is so much about  giving individuals that opportunity to stand in the spotlight and sit and say their piece and share their wisdom.&quot; - Kristina Halvorson</p><p>Special Guests: Kristina Halvorson and Tenessa Gemelke.</p>]]>
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<p>&quot;Without actively soliciting the perspectives and the experiences and the approaches of these folks who are on the front lines who maybe haven&#39;t written books and maybe haven&#39;t been blogging or don&#39;t have a podcast or haven&#39;t had the chance on the stage ... if we don&#39;t draw those voices in and lift them up we&#39;re going to stagnate as an industry. There is so much about  giving individuals that opportunity to stand in the spotlight and sit and say their piece and share their wisdom.&quot; - Kristina Halvorson</p><p>Special Guests: Kristina Halvorson and Tenessa Gemelke.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Tenessa Gemelke on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/gemelket">Tenessa Gemelke on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Kristina Halvorson on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/halvorson">Kristina Halvorson on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Confab" rel="nofollow" href="https://confabevents.com">Confab</a></li><li><a title="Button" rel="nofollow" href="http://buttonconf.com">Button</a></li><li><a title="Brain Traffic" rel="nofollow" href="https://braintraffic.com">Brain Traffic</a></li><li><a title="Tenessa&#39;s viral leek tweet" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/gemelket/status/1283170929984634880">Tenessa's viral leek tweet</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Tenessa Gemelke and Kristina Halvorson are the driving forces behind Confab, a content strategy and user experience conference that has just completed its tenth year. Since its creation, Confab has stood out from other tech conferences by creating a diverse and vibrant community for its attendees and speakers. In this episode Tenessa and Kristina talk about Confab&#39;s history, transitioning Confab to an online event, and their brand new conference Button. </p>

<p>&quot;Without actively soliciting the perspectives and the experiences and the approaches of these folks who are on the front lines who maybe haven&#39;t written books and maybe haven&#39;t been blogging or don&#39;t have a podcast or haven&#39;t had the chance on the stage ... if we don&#39;t draw those voices in and lift them up we&#39;re going to stagnate as an industry. There is so much about  giving individuals that opportunity to stand in the spotlight and sit and say their piece and share their wisdom.&quot; - Kristina Halvorson</p><p>Special Guests: Kristina Halvorson and Tenessa Gemelke.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Tenessa Gemelke on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/gemelket">Tenessa Gemelke on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Kristina Halvorson on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/halvorson">Kristina Halvorson on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Confab" rel="nofollow" href="https://confabevents.com">Confab</a></li><li><a title="Button" rel="nofollow" href="http://buttonconf.com">Button</a></li><li><a title="Brain Traffic" rel="nofollow" href="https://braintraffic.com">Brain Traffic</a></li><li><a title="Tenessa&#39;s viral leek tweet" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/gemelket/status/1283170929984634880">Tenessa's viral leek tweet</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Lisa Maria Marquis is an independent consultant in content-driven information architecture, working to help teams understand, organize, and structure their web content for empowering user experiences. In this conversation, we talk about private digital communities and the place they play in people&#39;s lives.</p>

<p>&quot;If you don&#39;t set those expectations, then what happens is you&#39;re watching a TV show together, you&#39;re talking about a TV show together, and it&#39;s all surface. It doesn&#39;t go any deeper. You don&#39;t engage with it, and you don&#39;t engage with each other. And then that&#39;s not a community. It&#39;s not personal. Then what&#39;s the point? You know, if you&#39;re not going to make a real connection, what&#39;s the point?&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: Lisa Maria Marquis.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Lisa Maria Marquis is an independent consultant in content-driven information architecture, working to help teams understand, organize, and structure their web content for empowering user experiences. In this conversation, we talk about private digital communities and the place they play in people&#39;s lives.</p>

<p>&quot;If you don&#39;t set those expectations, then what happens is you&#39;re watching a TV show together, you&#39;re talking about a TV show together, and it&#39;s all surface. It doesn&#39;t go any deeper. You don&#39;t engage with it, and you don&#39;t engage with each other. And then that&#39;s not a community. It&#39;s not personal. Then what&#39;s the point? You know, if you&#39;re not going to make a real connection, what&#39;s the point?&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: Lisa Maria Marquis.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Swear Trek (Twitter)" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/swear_trek">Swear Trek (Twitter)</a></li><li><a title="Lisa Maria Marquis&#39; website" rel="nofollow" href="https://thefutureislikepie.com/">Lisa Maria Marquis' website</a></li><li><a title="Lisa Maria Marquis on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/redsesame">Lisa Maria Marquis on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Everyday Information Architecture" rel="nofollow" href="https://abookapart.com/products/everyday-information-architecture">Everyday Information Architecture</a></li><li><a title="Holodex Machina Tumblr" rel="nofollow" href="https://holodexmachina.tumblr.com/">Holodex Machina Tumblr</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Lisa Maria Marquis is an independent consultant in content-driven information architecture, working to help teams understand, organize, and structure their web content for empowering user experiences. In this conversation, we talk about private digital communities and the place they play in people&#39;s lives.</p>

<p>&quot;If you don&#39;t set those expectations, then what happens is you&#39;re watching a TV show together, you&#39;re talking about a TV show together, and it&#39;s all surface. It doesn&#39;t go any deeper. You don&#39;t engage with it, and you don&#39;t engage with each other. And then that&#39;s not a community. It&#39;s not personal. Then what&#39;s the point? You know, if you&#39;re not going to make a real connection, what&#39;s the point?&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: Lisa Maria Marquis.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Swear Trek (Twitter)" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/swear_trek">Swear Trek (Twitter)</a></li><li><a title="Lisa Maria Marquis&#39; website" rel="nofollow" href="https://thefutureislikepie.com/">Lisa Maria Marquis' website</a></li><li><a title="Lisa Maria Marquis on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/redsesame">Lisa Maria Marquis on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Everyday Information Architecture" rel="nofollow" href="https://abookapart.com/products/everyday-information-architecture">Everyday Information Architecture</a></li><li><a title="Holodex Machina Tumblr" rel="nofollow" href="https://holodexmachina.tumblr.com/">Holodex Machina Tumblr</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 1: David Dylan Thomas on Design For Civil Discourse</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 09:15:00 -0700</pubDate>
      <author>gdd@heyrocker.com (Greg Dunlap)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>David Dylan Thomas is a content strategy advocate at ThinkCompany in Philadelphia and the host of the cognitive bias podcast, David gave a talk this year at Confab called Conversation Design To Save Civil Discourse, and it's hard to think of a topic that's more pressing for our communities right now. In this podcast we talk about how the phrasing of questions influences answers, the ways design influences discourse, and how capitalism is ruining everything. </itunes:subtitle>
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<p>&quot;You have in your head, oh, I will get more clicks if people are angry, right? But people are yelling at each other on my platform, so it isn&#39;t necessarily true, right? There&#39;s all sorts of science around, like, what motivates people to share content, and anger does it but then so does wonder and hope.&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: David Dylan Thomas.</p>]]>
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<p>&quot;You have in your head, oh, I will get more clicks if people are angry, right? But people are yelling at each other on my platform, so it isn&#39;t necessarily true, right? There&#39;s all sorts of science around, like, what motivates people to share content, and anger does it but then so does wonder and hope.&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: David Dylan Thomas.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="David Dylan Thomas&#39; website" rel="nofollow" href="http://daviddylanthomas.com">David Dylan Thomas' website</a></li><li><a title="David Dylan Thomas on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/movie_pundit">David Dylan Thomas on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Cognitive Bias Podcast" rel="nofollow" href="https://soundcloud.com/david-dylan-thomas">Cognitive Bias Podcast</a></li><li><a title="Design For Cognitive Bias on A Book Apart" rel="nofollow" href="https://abookapart.com/products/design-for-cognitive-bias">Design For Cognitive Bias on A Book Apart</a></li><li><a title="Polis polling platform" rel="nofollow" href="https://pol.is/home">Polis polling platform</a></li><li><a title="ReThink platform" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.rethinkwords.com/">ReThink platform</a></li></ul>]]>
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<p>&quot;You have in your head, oh, I will get more clicks if people are angry, right? But people are yelling at each other on my platform, so it isn&#39;t necessarily true, right? There&#39;s all sorts of science around, like, what motivates people to share content, and anger does it but then so does wonder and hope.&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: David Dylan Thomas.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="David Dylan Thomas&#39; website" rel="nofollow" href="http://daviddylanthomas.com">David Dylan Thomas' website</a></li><li><a title="David Dylan Thomas on Twitter" rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/movie_pundit">David Dylan Thomas on Twitter</a></li><li><a title="Cognitive Bias Podcast" rel="nofollow" href="https://soundcloud.com/david-dylan-thomas">Cognitive Bias Podcast</a></li><li><a title="Design For Cognitive Bias on A Book Apart" rel="nofollow" href="https://abookapart.com/products/design-for-cognitive-bias">Design For Cognitive Bias on A Book Apart</a></li><li><a title="Polis polling platform" rel="nofollow" href="https://pol.is/home">Polis polling platform</a></li><li><a title="ReThink platform" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.rethinkwords.com/">ReThink platform</a></li></ul>]]>
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